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Florestan Bronstein Amarr Element 115.	Posted - 2011.04.05 07:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 05/04/2011 07:36:08 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Lucia Sarain Problem is a lot of the banned accounts get recycled through the Character Bazaar from what i've read on botter forums. CCP need to start monitoring character transfers for recent bans. We're aware that people think this is somehow going to benefit them. They get ISK for the characters on a tainted account which they can funnel to an unaffiliated account (that is using different personal info and connects from an other IP). How does this not benefit them? If you are that good spotting covert ISK transfers between unaffiliated characters/accounts how come we still have a thriving RMT business in EVE (that relies on many happy, repeat-customers)?
Florestan Bronstein	Posted - 2011.04.19 14:38:00 - [2] Originally by: Solstice Project Edited by: Solstice Project on 19/04/2011 14:16:36 Originally by: Prince Kobol Main problem; Checking Shield / Armor health without a solid background like the widescreen support or starmap. The current detection technique works, in essence, but is not yet stable. That doesn't make any sense. Black&Bottom-WideScreen was removed quite some time ago. Sounds like he's using OCR, there. people were commonly running that bot while having the starmap turned on.
Florestan Bronstein	Posted - 2011.04.21 20:09:00 - [3] Originally by: T'Laar Bok You don't need OCR for that. My hauler alt has a macro bound to a key that'll WTZ for me. It's one of the most simple macros I use. Overview needs no special settings except to show gates. Overview is always the same width and entries are always the same distance apart. Macro goes down to each entry in the icon list looking at a single pixel to see if its [the correct] yellow (I use the tip of the triangle inside the circle of the stargate icon). When its found the mouse moves to the coords of that pixel and left clicks to highlight the gate. Mouse moves up and left clicks warp to (more reliable than the warp keystroke) Even with the overview full of stuff (55 entries on my setup) it takes less than a second. ahem... posting that on this forum might not be so smart unless you want to make some sort of point that CCP really doesn't give a damn...
Florestan Bronstein	Posted - 2011.04.23 14:34:00 - [4] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/04/2011 14:36:35 Originally by: clixor Curious about the second part as well btw. But THE unbanned must be really ignorant and stupid to restart their dubious activities. It doesnt take much to create a query with their names and any unregular asset/isk growth. You are thinking about this issue like a normal player would (who doesn't want his accounts banned), not like a business. A botting account that does not produce is a financial loss unless it can be sold. Long-term the question is whether CCP's average "time to ban" is greater than the "time to break-even" for a new botting account (I guess you would need about 2 months for skill training + a subscription for the first month of real use, so CCP would have to ban faster than a bot can earn about 3x PLEX). Short-term the situation is: After the first strike you have to assume the offending account has been flagged in CCP's systems. You have 3 choices at this point - continue botting, sell characters/account, just close the account. Last option is of course worse than selling the characters for ISK or selling the whole account for RL money and can be excluded. However, the second-to-last option will still be available after the second strike. So the question is: Sell account right now or continue botting, pay for 30 days of idle time (2nd strike ban) & sell account. It seems unlikely that CCP wold ban you faster than you can earn the money for the PLEX that covers your 2nd strike ban so the deciding factor becomes the state of the character market (and the interest rate you can earn on RL money/ISK). It would be plausible that many "amateur" botters overestimate the effectiveness of CCP's detection systems or are scared of losing their poorly veiled main accounts and have stopped botting while panic-selling their botting characters/accounts.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.28 04:56:00 - [5] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 28/04/2011 05:04:18 I was wrong, forget this post.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.28 18:41:00 - [6] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 28/04/2011 18:42:06 Originally by: Lisa Valenheim To remove mining bots why not make mining hard - make some terrorist group defend belts with sleeper style rats that will wtf pwn a non human player. make them EoM (and make their faction spawns drop EoM ship BPCs) and I am game
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.30 16:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 30/04/2011 16:01:48 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Again: Botting turns Eve PvP into WoW PvP. maybe calm down a bit... Reimbursement programs paid for by tech moons have pretty much the same effect you condemn so harshly. Also, I got much more worked up over losing Tol Barad again (because silly me didn't know that all players with a clue choose Horde when creating my character) than I get when losing a battleship in EVE. The world is not black and white and losing money/gear when getting killed is not the only way to make pvp "meaningful" - a single death in Tol Barad didn't mean much but the whole encounter was meaningful because I could play it at most two times per day (due to my playtime), because its outcome did make attractive PvE content (un-)available (Baradin Hold raid) and because a victory in that battleground temporarily opened up additional sources of income (more quests to get sparse Tol Barad Recommendations [currency]). In your "botters destroy your game" you assume all players enjoy EVE for the same reasons you do - a moment of consideration would make you realize that this is most likely not true. Maybe you like EVE PvP over other games because losses hurt (the alliance wallet^^), maybe I like EVE over other games because I like to see other alliances failcascade, maybe the next guy just likes to see his corp/alliance name in the top left corner of his screen whenever he logs in & someone else enjoys the potential for backstabbing & spy work, ... different people value different aspects of EVE PvP and by far not all of these aspects are negatively affected by bots (not to speak of the players who play EVE while trying to stay clear of combat PvP altogether). You could also say that bots help to enable PvP - abundance of raw materials and ISK may make individual losses less meaningful but it also makes people more willing to risk losing their ships in the first place. Maybe you wouldn't have to roam for hours before you find targets if more people used bots to replace their losses? Guess that would be a "Do you enjoy the act of pvp in itself or do you mainly enjoy teh fight because of the stakes (of the loser having to spend a few hours ratting to replace his losses)?" type of question. I can see decent arguments in favor of both of these attitudes. But I think you should use less capital letters, think calmly and stop assuming that everyone shares your point of view by default (why do you even make such an angry post if your whole argument relies on the readers agreeing with you anyways?).
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.17 14:25:00 - [8] TM seems to cooperate closely with RMT stores - don't think ccp would like that. assuming this report is false an interesting question is: would ccp win by keeping the rumor alive (and striking fear into the hearts of some botters) or rather lose by further ruining its image with some of its customers here @Sreegs maybe you can enlighten us whether CCP would consider striking such a deal with bot writers? also as far as I have seen nobody has mentioned yet that Othran's favorite site has made a comeback.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.18 09:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Malcanis BTW the incident is especially delicious because Leetcheese is a director of TEST, an alliance that openly encourages the membership to bot, and actually has an alliance rule against reporting bots. let's see... The TEST alliance bylaws have five sections: Quote: - Expulsion from TEST Alliance - You might get kicked/warned/roles stripped/forced to sing on TS - We'll be annoyed with you - Ratting Rules - PAC (Private Alt Corp) Rules The only part that could be construed to "openly encourage the membership to bot" would be: Quote: - We'll be annoyed with you * Petitioning against another Testie - if you absolutely need to do this, send a full explanation to the directors As a point of reference - that's on the same level of severity as not being on voice-comms while in fleet. It doesn't say "you should bot", it doesn't say "you must not report friendly bots" - the message "if you feel you have to report another member, please talk to our directors about it (preferably before you do it) to avoid misunderstandings". Trying to ban the reporting of bots or alliance members in general would be extremely stupid as such a rule would never be enforceable, only scare people into staying silent (while writing petitions) and obscure the leadership's view on issues & conflicts within TEST.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.19 08:16:00 - [10] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 19/05/2011 08:24:44 Originally by: Mara Rinn My eyes keep glazing over as I listen to the video over and over again, I think the have won. I think you are missing a word there. I also think we don't have to discuss this topic any further, it seems to be a really unpleasant affair shudder and we should be grateful that CCP handles it for us.

Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.20 13:53:00 - [11] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 20/05/2011 13:55:53 Originally by: Alicia Melchiottt Heh, maybe not hi-sec freighter ganks , but if you get a few guys and go can flipping, you can make a hefty profit and not loose any ships. Just need a scout running around broadcasting targets, and guys in haulers just warp to, pick the can and warp out. Quick and clean in-and-out, and the miner's screwed out of millions. Do that a few dozen times, and you're rich as sin. officer spawns in high-sec is where the money is at - in contrast to 0.0 they drop decent loot and not just ammo & tags. edit: before anybody takes my joke seriously (as happened with my last comment in this thread ) - I am talking about ganking mission runners not about evil hax.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.24 06:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 24/05/2011 06:22:05 not strictly botting-related but relevant nonetheless: http://www.**********.com/showthread.php?9828-Lolbanned-C-Eve-Client-high-performance-automation OP success?
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.29 14:50:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Captain Davison I think I'll leave this little article... here. Devs had better start making some major progress, this is some bad bad rep for them. The only thing this article has to do with EVE is that it's about some activity that's occurring against a site related to the game. It has nothing to do with botting or anything remotely connected to the EVE Online servers. the article quite explicitly mentions RMTers as the prime suspects...
Florestan Bronstein draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.04 09:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 04/06/2011 09:35:48 Originally by: Henry Haphorn Interesting about the Chinese server. I wonder if we could get enough people to pay them a visit (mafia style). It is easy for the Chinese to play on TQ but it is hard for us to get on Serenity as account registration requires the Chinese equivalent of a SSID. The forum website that CCP hates has a thread called "A brief history of EVE Serenity server" with more information.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.06 10:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 06/06/2011 10:47:19 @John'eh 1990 called, they want to tell you about polymorphic code.
Florestan Bronstein draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.06 20:56:00 - [16] Originally by: John'eh Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 06/06/2011 10:47:19 @John'eh 1990 called, they want to tell you about polymorphic code. Dude, even if the binary is polymorphic in memory the exe on the file system stays the same and would be detected by this.. Code that edits itself in memory could also be detected in other ways, but if it all comes from the same binary this way would nip it at the bud. what makes you think that the binary has to stay the same?
Florestan Bronstein draketrain	Posted - 2011.07.20 15:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Rykuss It doesn't matter that you find a particular activity boring, there is no excuse for botting. Period. You bot because you can't hack it<pun intended> in eve. you don't bot because you would rather do mindless drone-work than bear the thought of losing your space pixels. with that level of risk-aversion you should ask yourself if eve is the right game for you.
Florestan Bronstein 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.08.01 07:43:00 - [18] Quote: Now showing numbers and figures on total number of bans. Total number of bans to date is 3945. The goal was not to ban lots of botters û the goal was to change behavior and make it no longer a worthwhile thing to do. Now talking about ban 3 strikes policy (1st offense Bot, 14 day ban, 2nd offense, 30 days, 3rd offense, permanent). 527 suspected accounts unsubscribed, 987 are currently active (Subscribed and not banned again). 146 are currently serving out another ban. This puts the botting re-offense rate at 8.5%. Wow. That means a drastic drop. Linkage not sure whether to laugh or cry

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